Children's Behaviour

[Johnny_D]

This is a spin-off from the Tazer thread.

The thing I wish to discuss is that behaviour of children in schools (and outside for that matter)

We have a problem in england with the feril youth who are uncontrolled, uncontrolable and thus uneducated and quite frankly a blot of the english landscape :-

I put this down to a number of issue.
1. Parental Control
It's bloody hard being a parent with the state interffering into my parental choices. Kids these days
know and understand there 'rights' which basically restrict parents ability to actually PARENT.
A Clout round the ear from my father never done me any harm[Figurative]
2. School. Control
Same Issue as above - Teachers are scared and the kids know it. They have no real control of a
classroom. So much so that I actually reported my daughters old school to the Health & Safety
executive as I felt the school was unsafe.... which they agreed with - All hell broke loose over that.
3. The Kids themselves.
I have no idea what has happened here. But there appears to be a complete lack of self control
and respect for them selves or each other. I remember seeing one 'kid' getting blown on a rail station
from his chav whore. When someone asked him to quit it and behave he stood up, cock hanging out,
pulled a knife and started really mouthing..... Bloke kicked him in his bollocks... HARD... Best thing I
ever saw.

So what's the answer? 'cause i'm buggered if i Know - Although I personally suggest military service. That'll straight the little bastards out.

JD

[Geiseric]

I'm sure I don't have to point out the inherent irony of corporal punishment. I'd look elsewhere for the cause of unruly youth: say... little to no chance of future economic success, and the unrelenting reality of a future of negative wealth. Hell, it was enough to make me a rowdy punk kid throughout my high school years. Not that I'm dismissing those little prick kids who had everything handed to them on a platter and still act like they were somehow fucked over. I just don't think they are the root of the problem.

Now in regarding to parenting... Hell, is it any wonder? Every year adults are expected to put more of there time into their workplace, and more time away from their kids. Hell, most working class-lower middle class families don't spend any more than an hour together a day... Mine sure didn't. So where do the societal lessons come from? Their equally unruly and unsocialized peer group. Edited March 31, 2008 by Geiseric

[Johnny_D]

I completely agree with you in regard to the issues with Long working hours for parents.

I can't agree with you in regard to corporal punishment... It has been used as an effective tool for parenting for the past 5000 years. It's been outlawed for the past (20ish?)

History, for me, wins this argument. and the moral decline certainly ties in with teh removal of corporal punishment....

[r1v3th3ad]

Its a shame to see each generation changing for the worse.
Back when I was in school, the average age for kids doing nht and self mutilation was 16, when I graduated, it was 11.

and its hell in there, I will not send my kids to public schools when I have them. 1-8th grade I got my ass kicked and made fun of daily...lets see...
my front two teeth are crooked because of getting my face slammed off of a water fountain, got thrown into metal bookshelves ofter, got beat to a bloody pulp once...to name a few...and they knew who did it, the kids admitted, but not once did they even spend a minute in detention, yet alone suspension. I've lost faith in a lot of things...how the school systems work, and how people handle their kids anymore. Most of those kids that did these things to me, found out they were raised in low income, drug using/alcoholic families.
I actually got good news the other day about a kid that used to live in my neighborhood that would beat me up daily(once whipped me with a rope), he pulled a gun on a cop and is getting put away for a long time


time to reform laws, crack down on some bad parents, and reform these troublesome brats

[ahwahoo2006]

At least in the US, I would say this behavior is directly related to the "snowflake snydrome" that is so prevalent these days. i.e. parents all see their kids as special snowflakes who can do no wrong and thus should not be punished or held responsible for their actions.

[*HOT&SMOKING*]

Its a shame to see each generation changing for the worse.
Back when I was in school, the average age for kids doing nht and self mutilation was 16, when I graduated, it was 11.

and its hell in there, I will not send my kids to public schools when I have them. 1-8th grade I got my ass kicked and made fun of daily...lets see...
my front two teeth are crooked because of getting my face slammed off of a water fountain, got thrown into metal bookshelves ofter, got beat to a bloody pulp once...to name a few...and they knew who did it, the kids admitted, but not once did they even spend a minute in detention, yet alone suspension. I've lost faith in a lot of things...how the school systems work, and how people handle their kids anymore. Most of those kids that did these things to me, found out they were raised in low income, drug using/alcoholic families.
I actually got good news the other day about a kid that used to live in my neighborhood that would beat me up daily(once whipped me with a rope), he pulled a gun on a cop and is getting put away for a long time


time to reform laws, crack down on some bad parents, and reform these troublesome brats

Got to agree.

I am still in high school, and I fortunetly was brought up properly , and I see the way the generations get worse and worse.
The other day a kid in grade 1 tuned a friend of mine in grade 12.
I know I am not an adult and only speak from what I can see ( heck some might think I am a stupid teenager), but it is getting worse and I see it as the parents fault and also the way some schools are run. Sure parenting has become very hard and I look up to parents who have raised their children properly and see them as good influences and parents who have done bloody well!!!
On the other hand their are parents who just don't quite grasp parenting and have kids beyond uncontrolable.

-H&S

Edited March 31, 2008 by *HOT&SMOKING*

[ilikemyusername]

its in the milk! the system is corrupt! parents suck, well... not me the water has hormones! fluorescent lights are filled with mercury vapor! so when one breaks we all get to deal with that and autism is on the rise! trees are being chopped down, co2 is being pumped in , in 1980 there was hardly anything left of the ozone layer. and thats the most current photo ive ever seen. coral reefs are dying , stingrays are attacking, ufo abduction is at an all time low,animals of all species are going extinct, were running out of oil, the ice caps are melting, and the magnetic poles are shifting!we live in a world of constant barrage of advertisments and vanity, corruption, media and our children understand that we as a SPECIES are teetering on the edge of annhilation. and its our fault. thats kind of alot to be born into.....just a thought. not that im saying thats an excuse or reason for such outlandish behavior.

[*HOT&SMOKING*]

its in the milk! the system is corrupt! parents suck, well... not me the water has hormones! fluorescent lights are filled with mercury vapor! so when one breaks we all get to deal with that and autism is on the rise! trees are being chopped down, co2 is being pumped in , in 1980 there was hardly anything left of the ozone layer. and thats the most current photo ive ever seen. coral reefs are dying , stingrays are attacking, ufo abduction is at an all time low,animals of all species are going extinct, were running out of oil, the ice caps are melting, and the magnetic poles are shifting!we live in a world of constant barrage of advertisments and vanity, corruption, media and our children understand that we as a SPECIES are teetering on the edge of annhilation. and its our fault. thats kind of alot to be born into.....just a thought. not that im saying thats an excuse or reason for such outlandish behavior.

Interesting paragraph, very good points. But as you say no excuse thats for sure but also food for thought.

-H&S

[gaia.plateau]

I definitely don't think you can blame the kids, at least up to a certain age. What are children but products of their genetic codes and social environments? I blame the increasing stupidity of humans in general, which translates into shitty parents that raise shitty, stupid children.

Corporal punishment is never, never the answer to anything, especially in children. Corporal punishment only cultivates fear and resentment, stifling emotional and mental development. Moreover it legitimizes brutality at a very fundamental level in a child's psyche, teaching them that violence is a good, if not the best option for solving problems.

There's no global solution, short of testing all parents for aptitude and capability and sterilizing those that fail. It's just going to keep getting worse and worse. The best we can do is, assuming we bear and raise children, to do our best and make them exceptions to the rule of idiocy. Edited March 31, 2008 by gaia.plateau

[Bulldog_916]

I say keep em in line. I dont agree with abuse. But a smack on the ass kept me in line. You cant let them walk all over you. I think you have to break their will by making them stand in an empty and locked closet to make them feel like they are ignored when they act foolishly. If they bash the doors, just turn up the music till you cant hear it. They have to understand that if they dont follow the rules they cant be part of the community. The family is the community in miniature. The closet represents prison that becomes punishment when you get into the real world.

[*HOT&SMOKING*]

I say keep em in line. I dont agree with abuse. But a smack on the ass kept me in line. You cant let them walk all over you. I think you have to break their will by making them stand in an empty and locked closet to make them feel like they are ignored when they act foolishly. If they bash the doors, just turn up the music till you cant hear it. They have to understand that if they dont follow the rules they cant be part of the community. The family is the community in miniature. The closet represents prison that becomes punishment when you get into the real world.

Very interesting punishment actually, makes a lot of sense actually....hmm definetly again something to think about but then again you would still have to deal with the weakest to strongest line of "stopping" to end the situation and then deal with them accordingly. Which by your suggestion poses a good reality check to them and time-out and alone and away from the community .

Not bad at all!!

-H&S

[kornkitten42]

I have to say that there are a bunch of reason's SOCIETY in general is so screwed up, let alone it's children.


Here is just a scenario:

Say there is a child who is getting bad grades, making bad choices at an early age and is doing poorly in school, we can't talk to him about it because we will hurt his "self esteem" , We can't yank a child’s ass back in line when he is acting out in class, no that would be "abuse", or again "hurt Johnny’s self esteem". So Johnny acts like a little asshole in school.

Little Johnny comes home. Little Johnny shows his parents his terrible report card, then the parents get mad, an argument ensues and little Johnny again acts out. Can the parents discipline their own child without fear the neighbors will hear and call child protective services? No, so the parents let little Johnny have a "time out" in his room with his video games and his toys. So this reinforces a behavior that says I can get away with being a little asshat and then i get to go play in my room with all my cool stuff.

So then Society looks at Johnny. Johnny has just got done smoking NHT, just got pulled over and has just run away from home. His parents didn’t' list him as a run away because they were afraid that the department of children and families would find out that little Johnny ran away again and was delinquent from attending school. So the officers get little Johnny, they arrest him, and take him to booking, but Johnny is a minor still. He can't go to jail. So they try to get him into the juvenile system. But juvenile jsutice people say, that little Johnny didn't do enough to warrant him getting put there, he had to be more violent or in the data base as a repeat offender or WANTED by authorities.. So little Johnny is let go and told to appear in court. Which he will jump, and then the vicious cycle continues.

SOCIETY HAS FAILED US AND OUR CHILDREN. WE NEED TO CHANGE THE WAY THINGS ARE DONE, OR THINGS WILL CONTINUE GOING DOWN THE TUBES!


Parents look at the schools as a baby sitter, not a learning institution, Parents are more willing these days to give their child a 20.00 and tell them to get out of their hair, then to cook a meal and spend time with them. Go do whatever you want, just leave me alone.

FOR ALL OF YOU WHO THINK PRIVATE SCHOOL IS BETTER..... THINK AGAIN. I went to both public and private institutions. The private institutions were filled with those LOVELY students which you speak, who go kicked out of public schools. I hated it with a passion, i felt like I was in prison. My parents put me there to "protect me" well, it was worse, because there are more drugs, their are more negative influences in private schools.

The government tells us we can not discipline our children. The laws state that teachers can no longer discipline our children. They are running amuck, because people are too worried that "they will hurt their self esteem" or they had "bad home lives". IT'S NO EXCUSE. I don't care if you came from a broken home. It does NOT give you the excuse to act like an asshole. You can not blame other people for your problems. YOU can change it. YOU can do something about it. I don't care, call me whatever you want, but I see the world going down the tubes and I for one will not tolerate someone passing the buck.

If you are not willing to help yourself, then why should I try to help you or give a damn about you?




My child, if I choose to have one, will have manors. Will say yes ma'am and no ma'am. They will chew with their mouths closed, make good grades, do what they are told. My child will have every opportunity to strive and have a GREAT life. My child will know the difference between right and wrong and have the tools to make a good decision. My child will not talk back.

If my child decides that they want to be a little jerk, My child will get spankings if they do something wrong. They will get punished other ways, if they are older. They will be grounded and have no way to connect with the outside world besides school. They will get their video games, and their phone and their computer taken away. They will get their car taken away, If they still decide to be insubordinate and act out I will yank their asses out of school, they will see my face everyday and their life as they know it, will be over.

They will be home schooled until I can trust them being put back into school and society.

You know why people are not like me? Because tough love is hard. It's SOOOOO much easier to be a friend than a parent. I for one will be a parent.

THAT is what is wrong with today's society. They blame other things, music , video games, tv, whatever on their children’s behavior but WILL NOT do anything to fix it.

/ rant Edited March 31, 2008 by kornkitten42

[AlphaJuno]

The only solution.

[gaia.plateau]

The only solution.

Kinky!

[r1v3th3ad]

I think this is a better solution

[AlphaJuno]

. Edited April 1, 2008 by Johnny_D
You have been warned.

[paiintballa182]

God your such a troll lol

[Voski]

There isn't enough discipline. And the "consequences" they face are jokes. Stand in the corner for 5 minutes, give me your red card, no tv, and so on. Are you shitting me? I've had my ass beat, I have tasted soap, I have had to sit at home and do nothing for weeks, and I have been mistaken for a pepper disposal. And I turned out fine.

[paiintballa182]

*twitch*

what about the pepper , though?

[paiintballa182]

RAWR

I </3 double edits

[Voski]

This is my moms reasoning. I spit so she decided to give me an actual reason to spit. She figured pouring pepper in my mouth would give me a reason...

[paiintballa182]

Well then, I bet you never spit around her again lol

physical punishment is an effective form of punishment, theres no getting around that. And as long as you dont step over the line, which is hard to find for some people, I dont imagine you would see negative effects.

[Voski]

I actually don't spit unless theres something foul in my mouth. Some physical discipline is what we need up in here. Hell one time I was on the computer for too long and my dad comes in tells me to get off again and I tell him in a little. He grabs my keyboard slams it into the desk, breaking my desk, then he throws the keyboard out the window. And I'm just like uh......

[Johnny_D]

Good on your mom Voski.

I had my mouth washed out with soap when I swore in front on my mother - Never did it again. Even now I don't do it much.

Too much left-wing namby pamby'ing. Kids have been disiplined for the past 5000 years or so. Only in the past 50 have things changed.... and look at the state of society.

I'd much rather live in the 1940's that now quite frankly.

And KornKitten - Nice Rant. My thoughts exactly.

JD

[Voski]

Something that relates. Especially recently I have been reading a lot about how kids are throwing things over freeway over passes. Like rocks, bricks, pieces of wood, ect... And a lot of people have died actually. Why are their parents not watching what they are doing? And why have they not had the concept of that being a wrong thing to do thought to them yet.

Human nature is evil...